They Flee from me, that sometimes did me Seek

Watch this presentation analysing the poem

Task 1

  1. How does biographical knowledge of Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry VIII help you understand this poem? Be specific.
  1. What does the direct quote add to the poem’s meaning
  1. Explain how—according to the speaker—women and creatures are similar.

Task 2

Then, read the following poem

To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time

BY ROBERT HERRICK

Gather ye rose-buds while ye may,
   Old Time is still a-flying;
And this same flower that smiles today
   Tomorrow will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
   The higher he’s a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
   And nearer he’s to setting.
That age is best which is the first,
   When youth and blood are warmer;
But being spent, the worse, and worst
   Times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time,
   And while ye may, go marry;
For having lost but once your prime,
   You may forever tarry.

How is this poem related to the previos one? Show examples from the texts.

Task 3

Watch this scene from Dead Poets Society. What does the teacher say about the poem.

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13 Responses to They Flee from me, that sometimes did me Seek

  1. IGNACIO RELA says:

    What does the direct quote add to the poem’s meaning
    Explain how—according to the speaker—women and creatures are similar.
    1)The biographical knowledge of Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry VIII show me that the society was very male chauvinist, meaning, why cant women broke men hearts? why men were considers lords of love and women peasants of love? It is highlighted and it makes me understand the arrogance, the sense of supremacy Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry had over woman.
    2) It adds realism to the situation. The situation that men should always be above woman and at that moment he was being hurt but someone considered “a creature”.
    3)Sit Thomas Wyatt states in his poem states “to take bread at my hand” usually, dogs, horses are the ones who eat from the hand, not women. Woman, is placed in the last place, compared to animals and that is the natural order, for Sir Thomas Wytte.

  2. Belen Gay says:

    What does the direct quote add to the poem’s meaning.
    The writer’s feelings are shown to the readers, and we can realize how special the woman is that the other women with he has been before.

    Explain how—according to the speaker—women and creatures are similar.
    The writer compares women and creatures, women with birds for example, because birds are beautiful and innocent, and women also as the writer said.

  3. Piky Loza says:

    1) This could help us to understand the poem besause Waytt was a server of the king Henry VII and he tryed to follow some characterists of his atitudes. Also we can see that there attitudes make us undestand the tone of the poem that is: male arrogance to hurt pride.

    2) The direct quote in the poem show how the woman feels superior over the writer make him to feel less important. Also I think that this quote adds realism to the poem and to the writer feelings.

    3) For the writer, accourding what we read in the poem, he compares them with birds as if they are inocent and indefence, also I think that that comparison is in a way envying the freedom that the women have and the only animals that represent that are the birds, thats why he compares them with birds.

  4. Belen Irazusta says:

    1. How does biographical knowledge of Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry VIII help you understand this poem? Be specific.
    The fact that Wyatt was a womanizer and that he was executed for adultery helps us understand better the poem. We can also understand that the power of women in that time was almost invisible, and that was why a man having his heart broken by a woman was bad seen. This topics can be seen with a lot of ironies though out the poem.
    2. What does the direct quote add to the poem’s meaning
    I think that this direct quote makes the audience or the reader have a better understanding of what the author or the speakes was feeling. It adds a sense of realism to the poem. We this we understand that this woman was not a common woman. She was very important to him.
    3. Explain how—according to the speaker—women and creatures are similar.
    I think that this comparison is very arrogant and portrays machismo. The poem describe that woman act naturally, but refers to this in a way that the reader realizes that this is not a good characteristic. They also describe women as a creature that depends on man.

  5. joaco diaz, sebas borda y fran okecki says:

    2) What the quote’s addition produce, is produced on the reader. This makes the reader feels what the author was feeling. This adds a mixture between the way the author feels when living this moment, and the way the reader feels when reading. The reader feels what the author is writing, as if he was in the story.

  6. Joaquin Olaizola, Fede Tear, Nico Araya and Mili Brasco says:

    1- Both Sir Thomas Waytt and Henry VIII were used to have lot of lovers. They usually used women and then left them. Henry had lot of wives. The Tudor regin was enmeshed in infidelities, as evidenced by the king and Waytt most likely engaged in similar behavior. So, he was shocked when all the woman ran away from him as we can see in the poem. He was used to have lot of women and now they didn`t pay him attention. Also, when he talks about one special affair, we can now see that this especial woman could may be Anne Boleyn. Both of them put their lives in danger as the poem says because Anne used to be Henry`s wife.
    2- The direct quote adds realism to the situation. The moment is portrayed in a way that the reader, although it knows that it is a poem, gets the feeling that this happened. The writer’s feelings are shown more explicitly, and we can see more clearly how the woman was more special than the other women that he has been with.
    3. The speaker compares the women and creatures throughout the poem. For example he compares women with birds. He says that men usually hunted “birds”, birds were the women. It also uses the word “wild”, that it is used to describe animals that are not domestic, that are out of control like women in this poem.

  7. Pablo Piñero Pacheco, Antonia Flores Piran, Maria Brito Peret, Milagros Zubizarreta y Juan Ignacio Lopez Vargas says:

    The biographical knowledge of Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry VIII help us to understand the poem because it demonstrates the relation they both had. Wyatt served under the regin of King Henry VIII. This lets us understand the ironies inside the poem. What is more, the poem shows how women affected them and how they felt about them.

  8. joaco diaz, fran okecki and sebas borda says:

    3) I think that in this poem the entire first stanza is talking abou the similarities creatures and women have. For example the way they walk, with “naked foot” and the fact that they are “stalking” are similarities with how creatures/untamed animals move around through nature. Another connection women and creatures have acording to this poem is the way they behave naturaly, we can see this when the writer describes them as “wild” and the fact that they “rage”, which gives an image of uncivilized actions, which “creatures ” adopt.

  9. Joaco Olaizola, Fede Tear, Nico Araya and Mili Brasco. says:

    2- The direct quote adds realism to the situation. The moment is portrayed in a way that the reader, although it knows that it is a poem, gets the feeling that this happened. The writer’s feelings are shown more explicitly, and we can see more clearly how the woman was more special than the other women that he has been with.

  10. joaco diaz, sebas borda y fran okecki says:

    1) Because Wyatt was influenced by the Tudor era which was full of infidelities, furthermore, there were suspicions about him having an affair with one of Henry VIII ex-wifes, Anne Boleyn. This information can be related with the women behaviour described in the poem and how he ends up being specific on one women, probably Hwney VII
    2)

  11. Pancho Ripoll, Sofia Teran, Emilia Molmenti, Paka Muller and Agus Buljevich says:

    1. It helps us to understand the poem due to the fact that Wyatt was executed for adultery. This makes you understand that Wyatt was with many women and that is portrayed in stanza 1.
    2. “they flee from, that sometimes make me seek” This shows that what the writer wants to convey that women are out of place and kind of revolutising as they are taking the role of men. Men used women no the other way around. He is angry about this new attitude of women. He firmly believes that men are superior than women.
    3. The speaker compares the women and creatures throughout the poem. In stanza 1, he compares women by bird. He uses a metaphor to reflect this “foot” “stalking”. He compares women to birds because men used to be the hunter of ‘birds’ but now the poor innocent animal who is hunted by women.

  12. Majo Tear, Juan Cruz Gomez Roca, agus campion says:

    1)The biographical knowledge of Sir Thomas Wyatt and King Henry VIII shows us how rare it was for women to be heart-breakers since they had no power or independence. So it helps us understand how the tone in the poem goes from male arrogance, as men were like that at that time, into hurt pride after being treated like a “thing” by a woman.
    2) “Now are wild and do not remember” By saying this the author shows how the women felt superior than men and as a consequence they treated them as men are used to treat women. And the women do not remember they actual position in society at the moment, as by being inferior of men as they were dependent of them.
    3) In the poem the writer says “To take bread at my hand” as a reference of women being like creatures, depending/eating from what the man gaves to it, thats why according to the speaker, women and creaatures are similar.

  13. Anonymous says:

    1- Both Sir Thomas Waytt and Henry VIII were used to have lot of lovers. They usually used women and then left them. Henry had lot of wives. The Tudor regin was enmeshed in infidelities, as evidenced by the king and Waytt most likely engaged in similar behavior. So, he was shocked when all the woman ran away from him as we can see in the poem. He was used to have lot of women and now they didn`t pay him attention. Also, when he talks about one special affair, we can now see that this especial woman could may be Anne Boleyn. Both of them put their lives in danger as the poem says because Anne used to be Henry`s wife.

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